Next Xbox rumours point to "always connected", games must install to HDD



Last month, it was reported that Microsoft will introduce a new way to combat used games.

Reports this week are re-enforcing those rumours and that Microsoft's next gen console will enforce gamers to install the game in it's entirety onto the hard disk.

The installation will require the system to activate codes for 50GB-capacity Blu-ray discs as the disc themselves will not be required to run like previous consoles from Microsoft. The hard disk is purported to allow for a large number of games installed.

The leaks also reference an "always on, always connected" console that lends it weight to a way to block used games on the system.
Durango SDK explains that the console will implement different power states so that it can always be powered on, but will draw minimal electricity when not in use. This will allow for 'instant' play as it will always maintain an internet connection that will keep games and software updates current. (Notwithstanding the long wait that will incur installing the data off the Blu-ray Discs and online downloads after a purchase.)

Though the leaked documents are dated from a year a go, Microsoft have yet to announce the new console and whether this implementation if true will affect pre-owned games.
Since announcing the PlayStation 4 in late February, Sony have stated that the PS4 will play used games.


The leaks also detailed the new Kinect system which will be bundled with every Microsoft console. At a recent tech forum, Microsoft demonstrated a new generation Kinect sensor with high fidelity and without a tilt motor.

Microsoft is expected to announce the next generation console and kinect system at E3 this year.

Do you think if Microsoft developed a system to block used games would it make getting a PlayStation 4 an easier choice?

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PlayStation
PlayStation K:52116 21/03/2013
WANT! :D
Jet
Jet K:1677 21/03/2013
Interesting... I wonder what ms is going to come up with as their 'killer feature' to sway buyers to them rather then Sony?


Atm they are coming later to the party (most likely), have more restrictive drm (always online) and are blocking used games...

I guess they are hoping Kinect will be enough to make gamers choose them over Sony, pretty exciting time to be a gamer with all this new gear coming out though!
Gryllis
Gryllis K:347937 21/03/2013
But I'm with TPG, so my internet's shit, what if it drops out several times?
PlayStation
PlayStation K:52116 21/03/2013
Comment retracted.

gammaray13
gammaray13 K:7379 21/03/2013
i dont care as i will own all of them :)
PlayStation
PlayStation K:52116 21/03/2013
Each to their own, I guess.
Mickyt888
Mickyt888 K:47602 21/03/2013
Stupid. The only possible thing that could make up for this is a rental service like gamefly to be built into the 360 so you can rent any game possible from the library. They are also dreaming if they think they can beat sony with this joke of a console. Its like this: "don't like the game" Tough luck we got your money sucker.

This time they are either = or behind sony. Not a year ahead. It will be laughable if they release a weaker console along with blocking pre owned games. Who on earth would want this?
PlayStation
PlayStation K:52116 21/03/2013

Dusty Lids said: It will be laughable if they release a weaker console along with blocking pre owned games. Who on earth would want this?



GreenThumb
GreenThumb K:100641 21/03/2013

Nintendo said: This is going to be crap.
PS4 > PC > Wii U > NextBox



[Facepalm]
Stop with the fanboy posts. Trying to bait someone into a console war is not allowed.
M@ndyz
M@ndyz K:246108 21/03/2013

gammaray13 said: i dont care as i will own all of them


Same
Makra
Makra K:25463 21/03/2013
I love my 360 and haven't owned a PS3, but if a constant internet connection is mandatory to be able to play any games I'll switch to PS4 without a doubt.
Blob
Blob K:40950 21/03/2013

GreenThumb said: Stop with the fanboy posts. Trying to bait someone into a console war is not allowed.


The site was more peaceful when he was gone tbh.
PlayStation
PlayStation K:52116 21/03/2013
I would like to apologize to everyone and I will take back what I've been saying about the NextBox.

IMO, it'll be as good as, if not better than the 360 (sales and games experience) and I simply cannot wait for games like Forza and Alan Wake to be released on it.
E3 can't come soon enough.
chargers55
chargers55 K:180 21/03/2013
Very sad if true :'@ i may have to go to EB & get SCREWED [Rage] TO TRADE ALL MY XBOX STUFF IN :'@ PLEASE MAKE DA BAD MAN STOP [heartbreak]
Jet
Jet K:1677 21/03/2013

gammaray13 said: i dont care as i will own all of them


M@ndyz said:

gammaray13 said: i dont care as i will own all of them


Same



You and you, Marketers dream.


Amalgamut
Amalgamut K:327 22/03/2013
I own both consoles and a gaming pc. I don't buy used games and I don't get this sense of entitlement that console gamers have over pc gamers.

When was the last time anyone bought a used pc game? Console gamers need to take their ovaltine and some concrete pills and HTFU! The salad days are over...

Any move that destroys the bastard pre owned trade for the likes of EB is fine with me. They've made an absolute killing out of the trade with nothing going back to the publisher...
punk
punk K:12802 22/03/2013

Amalgamut said: I own both consoles and a gaming pc. I don't buy used games and I don't get this sense of entitlement that console gamers have over pc gamers.
When was the last time anyone bought a used pc game? Console gamers need to take their ovaltine and some concrete pills and HTFU! The salad days are over...
Any move that destroys the bastard pre owned trade for the likes of EB is fine with me. They've made an absolute killing out of the trade with nothing going back to the publisher...



totally understand where you're coming from (and I do feel developers deserve more than they sometimes get) but the game had already been sold and so they've gotten their pay check.
EB is just taken advantage of a market thats there.
If I sell my watch again at a flea market, is that watchmaker getting screwed over. Is cash converters screwing over sony for selling that old CRT tv. I don't think so!

EB will try and find another way to screw you over if they lose a way to trade older games. If people didn't buy from them then they wouldn't be making a killing but there's a reason why the pre-owned market is popular with consumers.

So lets just keep shoving our heads up our arse then? it's not just used games, its about being able to take those games to a mates place, being able to play them whenever and not when companies servers telling us otherwise etc.
It also being able to sell those games afterward if we so please... GAMES need to become cheaper so they can be 'throwaways'. the last couple of games I've bought have been under 30.

PC games are so much cheaper these days and for most people are linked to digital distribution in your account so to even to try and sell it is near impossible and for some pc users that fine.

There are digital distribution services that allow you to trade your games back for discounts and money etc.

The sense of entitlement doesn't concern you or me actually but people do it, so I can see why they'd be upset and because it doesn't suit your way of playing games doesn't mean your right.


I don't know how far Microsoft will go with activating games and how useless the 'discs' will be once activate or whether the games need a constant connection to continue playing e.g sim city but unfortunately can and will be a hindrance to people who don't have internet that is as far as say Beta's connection :P

Limiting choice and forcing restrictions will not go down well for the most part.
Amalgamut
Amalgamut K:327 22/03/2013
At the end of the day the gaming industry is fragmented in the aftermarket situation. You've got one group that can't sell or lend their games, and the other that can. It's either one or the other in my opinion.

The business itself created this problem and they need to fix it and make it uniform. And I honestly can't see PC reverting anytime soon. The console guys will need to wear it sooner or later...

Also you need to ask the question as to who exactly is leading the charge with this? Why are people beating up Microsoft for this? Of what benefit is it to them really? Sure they will have exclusives etc. But the push is obviously coming from the publishers to the hardware manufacturers going forward...
PlayStation
PlayStation K:52116 22/03/2013

Amalgamut said: I own both consoles and a gaming pc. I don't buy used games and I don't get this sense of entitlement that console gamers have over pc gamers.
When was the last time anyone bought a used pc game? Console gamers need to take their ovaltine and some concrete pills and HTFU! The salad days are over...
Any move that destroys the bastard pre owned trade for the likes of EB is fine with me. They've made an absolute killing out of the trade with nothing going back to the publisher...



I buy used PS Vita games all the time, because it's cheaper.
Hoping to repeat the process on PS4.
Jakerz
Jakerz K:1301 22/03/2013
Oh what an interesting revelation. Will sim city be a console exclusive?
PlayStation
PlayStation K:52116 22/03/2013
It's on PC.
Jakerz
Jakerz K:1301 22/03/2013

Nintendo said: It's on PC.



It was a DRM joke ;P
PlayStation
PlayStation K:52116 22/03/2013
Haha, cool, all good mate. :D
1wiierdguy
1wiierdguy K:8780 22/03/2013
Whilst a certain percentage of gamers will hate this, the publishers will love it. The next Xbox will no doubt get all sorts of timed exclusivity deals from publishers/devs in return for this.
punk
punk K:12802 22/03/2013
@Amalgamut you make a good point. What is Microsoft gaining from this. The push is probably from the bigger developers. Obviously gaining their support is pivotal.

There were rumours of the PlayStation 4 going this route. Sony have stated officially that used games will play on the system so now its Microsoft call.
ManicPanda
ManicPanda K:395 29/03/2013
Eeeh this "always online" factor is what is really going to annoy people to no end, particularly the ones that lag out and D/C from the internet almost every 40 minutes without fail.
chucky110
chucky110 K:36110 09/04/2013
That would be crap because eventually people will own more than one console.
gammaray13
gammaray13 K:7379 09/04/2013
i would say that if they make this a world wide release they will blow Sony out of the race
Tano
Tano K:342403 09/04/2013
The whole thing about always-on and people not buying it for that reason demonstrates how ridiculously entitled gamers are/think they are.
chucky110
chucky110 K:36110 10/04/2013
The always on thing doesn't bother me, it's just like the wii 24 online thing it had, turns on to update then turns off again, similar to PlayStation plus

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